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 22 Jun 2020, 23:20
Lovecraft0110 wrote: โ†‘22 Jun 2020, 21:43 Oh, it'll work, but like I said, pigments aren't as flexible, so it's best to use them when you want texture, like on tank tracks, exhaust tips, areas that are heavily corroded with dust, accumulated mud, that sort of thing.

If you already have pigments, get odorless thinner, a couple of enamel washes, a varnish, and some flat brushes, and you can do a LOT. That shouldn't be more than 25 quid I don't think, and it'll last you for ages.
I use Vallejo's airbrush thinner for the pigments - this stuff - would that work for oils/enamels, or am I looking at something else?

I already own an Army Painter small drybrush, think you use theirs too?

And lastly do you have any recommendations for varnishes? I don't (yet) use an airbrush, and I've seen people saying that some brands tend to yellow over time!
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 24 Jun 2020, 01:59
@pawl I've got alklad klear kote.. it seems abit gunky to me. Seemed to need alot of cleaning afterwards for my airbrush. I've used gauzy agent shine gloss and that worked great. No issues.

@Lovecraft0110 I think I can afford one enamel wash maybe 2 this payday. You mentioned track wash and dark wash. Would you think these would be best?
Things I'm intending on painting in near ish future would be bloat drone with flesh mower!! And contemptors (old death guard colours).. possibly try a grim dark fully crawler.

Is there a best brand of chipping fluid too?
Watching vids looks like ak interactive heavy chipping quite effective.
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 25 Jun 2020, 18:28
pawl wrote: โ†‘22 Jun 2020, 23:20
Lovecraft0110 wrote: โ†‘22 Jun 2020, 21:43 Oh, it'll work, but like I said, pigments aren't as flexible, so it's best to use them when you want texture, like on tank tracks, exhaust tips, areas that are heavily corroded with dust, accumulated mud, that sort of thing.

If you already have pigments, get odorless thinner, a couple of enamel washes, a varnish, and some flat brushes, and you can do a LOT. That shouldn't be more than 25 quid I don't think, and it'll last you for ages.
I use Vallejo's airbrush thinner for the pigments - this stuff - would that work for oils/enamels, or am I looking at something else?

I already own an Army Painter small drybrush, think you use theirs too?

And lastly do you have any recommendations for varnishes? I don't (yet) use an airbrush, and I've seen people saying that some brands tend to yellow over time!
Hi Pawl,

Sorry for the late reply, it's been crazy at work lately.

No, airbrush thinner would definitely NOT work for enamels or oils, and I wouldn't recommend it for pigments either. What kind of results have you got with that so far?

The best varnishes I've tried so far are the Vallejo Mecha ones, but I want to try Alclad, which I see has just been mentioned below.
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 25 Jun 2020, 18:31
James wrote: โ†‘24 Jun 2020, 01:59 @pawl I've got alklad klear kote.. it seems abit gunky to me. Seemed to need alot of cleaning afterwards for my airbrush. I've used gauzy agent shine gloss and that worked great. No issues.

@Lovecraft0110 I think I can afford one enamel wash maybe 2 this payday. You mentioned track wash and dark wash. Would you think these would be best?
Things I'm intending on painting in near ish future would be bloat drone with flesh mower!! And contemptors (old death guard colours).. possibly try a grim dark fully crawler.

Is there a best brand of chipping fluid too?
Watching vids looks like ak interactive heavy chipping quite effective.
Hi James,

Yes, Track wash and Dark wash will cover most applications. You can also mix them if you like for something in between. The "Dark" one is greenish, the track one is like a rust tone. Both are awesome. In terms of brands, either AK Interactive or Ammo of Mig. I'll let you in on a little secret, though - AMMO have approached me to collaborate with them, so soon I will be using their products exclusively in my videos. Rest assured my opinions will remain my own, however. Until now, I have used both interchangeably; there are a few things only of them has, otherwise I have never noticed any differences in finish or ease of application.

Edit: as for the chipping fluid, I would not recommend the "heavy" one. Instead of chips per se, you will get big flakes of paint coming off. Better to use the regular one and re-do if necessary, it's far more controllable. Again, either brand. Not Vallejo (tried all three).
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 25 Jun 2020, 20:05
Nice work @Lovecraft0110! Does that mean you'll be getting your own line? ๐Ÿ˜œ

Why not Vallejo re; chipping fluid? I only ask because I already have some on order!


Edit; missed your previous reply!
I used Vallejo's airbrush thinner for the pigment powders simply because that's what was recommended here. Can't say I've had any issues - capillary action seems to work, and they seem to dry solid enough. That said I don't have that much experience with them, so I wouldn't put any weight behind my findings!
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 25 Jun 2020, 21:21
Wow @Lovecraft0110 awesome bud!! Can't say it's not deserved based on the tank and droppod I've seen you do!!!
Excited to see your next vids!!

Ok when payday comes it'll be track wash and dark wash!!

@pawl I watched the vallejo chipping fluid video on YouTube and felt the results didn't look very exciting... but hard to say maybe a crap video!!
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 25 Jun 2020, 21:24
I just needed some, and it was a) one of the first results and b) a brand I'm familiar with.
Didn't do any research, because I'm just a risk-taker like that ๐Ÿ˜Ž

If I wanted to I could probably get it changed before it ships, but it's only for basing anyway, so I'm not bothered for a couple of quid.
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 25 Jun 2020, 21:51
Tbf Vallejo do a version of everything and it's always one of the cheapest options so I think they are usually worth a crack. I've Got the vallejo masking fluid... but wondering if I should have gone for something better!
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 25 Jun 2020, 22:38
I've just realised it's their liquid mask I have ordered, not their chipping fluid ๐Ÿ™ˆ
Either way the earlier question stands though!
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 26 Jun 2020, 08:13
Wow, it's hard to keep up with you two!

First of all, many thanks for your kind words, and you made me laugh out loud with the paint line idea, Pawl!

Secondly, I didn't intend to bash Vallejo at all; most of my airbrush acrylics are from them, and I've been using their products for many, many years. However:

1. Their liquid mask is horrendous, or at least that has been my experience. I recently discovered Humbrol Maskol, and it is like a bazillion times better.

2. Their pigment fixer is an acrylic goo. For two years I thought pigments could only give you a sort of dried mud finish...and it was because of this product! I must have watched all the videos on their youtube channel several times, but I didn't recall them suggesting their airbrush cleaner instead of their own fixer. Weird! If it worked for you, that's great, but both the AK and the AMMO pigment fixers are made of enamel thinner, so the flow is amazing.

3. Their chipping fluid works, of course, but the results I got with it were similar to the heavy chipping from AK - big flakes rather than small, controllable chips. Having said that, this was two years ago, and I was still getting the hang of it. It could be that it was just me doing it wrong. Just FYI.

I am doing an unboxing today, by the way. The sound is crap, but I hope the video is entertaining enough. More importantly, James: I am painting a Death Guard Arquitor Bombard next week! I am going to make it mega-weathered, so I think you're gonna like it! :grinning:
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